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Dec 3 09 7:19 PM

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A few years ago on a Womens Board on the internet there was a poster that happily proclaimed that she had told everyone she knew that they "werent getting anything from her and her family this year for Christmas and instead she had booked a luxury Christmas Vacation to Hawai'i for her and her hubby and 3 kids"

I remember some of the other posters being offended at the thought that SOMEONE would actually not give gifts to their extended family, friends and co-workers at Christmas...

"That isnt CHRISTIAN!"
"You need to buy them something!"
"That is selfish!"
"Dont you want anything in return?"

It was as if a sacred cow was slaughtered in the middle of Mumbai and fried up right there and eaten.

Secretly I think they were all jealous at such a radical stand against such a supposedly spiritual tradition.

Years earlier I had bought a book called "Hundred Dollar Holiday" By Bill McKibben where the author details that all of the symbols of Christs Birthday that we hold dear are actually Pagan symbols. During the crusades when the Christians stormed through Europe and the UK raping and killing and pillaging to convert the then Pagan populace to the new Christian religion, they decided that it would be easier to convert them if they chose December 25th for Christs birthday AND rename and Christianize their Pagan symbols. December 25th is the same day as the Pagan holiday of Yule or Winter Solstice. Christs real birthday was sometime in the spring.

Aside from the fact that its offensive to know that a supposedly peaceful religion has raped, pillaged and killed to bring people into the flock. It is also offensive to realize that Christians are celebrating Gods son's birthday on the wrong day and with another religions symbols (breaking the 1st & 2nd Commandments at once) and have made it the most evil of all holidays in the supposed Christian Calendar by worshipping the dollar and making CHRISTS Birthday all about MONEY and COMMERCIALSM!

Anyway after the woman on the Womans Board said she was going to Hawai'i for Christmas eschewing gift giving and after the others were offended I applauded the Hawai'i goers decision. I told her that she was celebrating the correct way by being minimalistic and Joyful just to be with her husband and kids.

I then told them about the book I read (above) and that I made a few other comments they suddenly ganged up on me over,
such as:

1) How are you celebrating Christs birthday by going to your office's Christmas party and getting drunk and Xeroxing your ass?

2) How are you celebrating Christs birthday by stampeding and trampling over other people for a stupid 40 inch LCD TV?

3) How are you celebrating Christs birthday by buying your kids the latest Grand Theft Auto or Doom or Halo shoot em up game for the Xbox 360?

4) How are you celebrating Christs birthday by FORCING youself to buy a stale readymade "cheese/crackers/summersausage gift pak from the "gift aisle" at Walmart for your friend Hal, just so HE buys YOU something?

It was then that I was heavily attacked...

"HOW DARE YOU ATTACK CHRISTMAS!?"

I think Christmas has been under attack by money hungry companies for years! Even back in the days of the Crusades. You dont think ALL those Crusaders wanted to CONVERT ALLLL those Pagans to Christianity just to save their souls do you? NO! The fact was that the Crusaders lusted after all the FUTURE Tithings they could get from all the NEW Christian converts! Converting the Pagans holidays to the most commercial holiday on earth was the icing on the cake for them.

Food for thought and some questions:

Do you REALLY enjoy the stuff you get from people?
Does gift giving, other than to your kids, not make you happy or does it leave you feeling dirty?
Does it feel meaningless?
Do you do it just cause you have to?
Do you really like the people you give gifts to or do you just feel obligated to do it?
Do you feel let down after Christmas?

What could YOU do as a person that would give you happiness and sustain it year round?

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Dec 6 11 4:44 PM

Preesi,

I totally agree with you.  I always feel 'under the gun' when we get closer to Xmas because I feel like I need to buy for everyone.  There are times where I just want to go away with my family and just tell everyone that we will see them 'next year'. 

I love the holidays but hate feeling stressed out over it.

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Dec 6 11 7:10 PM

The 8th of December is Immaculate Conception day, count 9 months after and that makes Christs birth in SEPTEMBER. NOT December 25th

Furthermore if you believe the Bible it NEVER mention the actual BIRTHDATE cause God didnt want THIS (COMMERCIALISM) to Happen

Also from the Old Testament Deuteronomy 24:16 which says,

A father shall not be put to death for sins of his children. A child shall not be put to death for the sins of his father. No person (Jesus was a person) shall be put to death for the sin of another person.

That completely invalidates Christianity.

Further Further MORE, ALL of the stories in the OT and NT were completely hijacked from a earlier civilization called SUMARIA



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Dec 7 11 12:30 AM

Our gift giving was out of control...here's the sequence of craziness over the years:

In the beginning - CRAZY wanting to please everyone
My family = Mom + 11 silbings
His family = Mom + 8 siblings

Married - CRAZY & stressed out
Me = Mom + 10 niece/nephews + single siblings only
Him = Mom + 14 niece/nephews + single siblings only

Transferred to Europe and East Coast - LOVE it, less stress
Shipped gifts home to parent only.
Immediate family only - Him/me + 2 kids

Return home - Good solution
Pulled family gift + per child gift
Our kids


Now - BEST
Him = Mom only
Us = Son + daughter-in-law + 2 girls
        Daughter + son-in-law +1 girl
Him/me
Close relations ONLY
Close friends from work - themed gifts for everyone.  Women - Victoria Secret Body Mist; Men - Jamba Juice gift cards (yes, they loved it).
Family trip to create new memories.  2009 - San Francisco, 2010 - Split trip.  Tahiti and Maui,  2011 - Oregon...chasing snow!

New Years family photo card to all our families & firends.  Guess what?  They always ask, "Hey, where's our New Year's card?!  Where did you guys go for your family adventure."  Hahaha, who would've known the simplest solution was the BEST?!  Now we know!

We LOVE the holidays & try to create nice memories for our family (adults & grdbabies).  Simple is a good thing.

Mele Kalikimaka a me Hauoli Makahiki Hou!


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Nov 23 12 8:44 PM

No, I hate it. 

I find the crass commercialism offensive.  I do nice things for my people all year, so why should I be obligated to buy expressly for this holiday?  If I do buy for it, it is because I want to.

Christmas is a big fat lie anyway.   It  only gained recognition as a holiday in the mid-1800's. 

As to Christmas being the "birth of Jesus," - uh, that would be a big ass NO. The historical Jesus (not the mythologized Jesus) was most likely born in September under the sign of Virgo.

I  hate these mandated customs and routines of the holidays.  

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Nov 23 12 8:51 PM

You know me and holidays don't mix.  The old man and I stopped buying shit for each other when the kid was little.  When the kid hit about 13, 14 years old, I'd take him out shopping and he'd get what he wanted.  When he was old enough to drive, gave him the cash, go get what you want.  Haven't bought a tree or wrapped a present in about 8 or 9 years, don't decorate.  We'll have turkey for Thanksgiving, ham (or maybe now Standing Rib Roast), for Christmas, but we just don't care.  We used to get my in-laws a gift certificate for a restaurant, but now that they're gone...never exchanged with any of his family, too many people, who the hell can afford it.  Everybody does their own thing for their kids/grandkids.
We don't 'do' religion, so that aspect of celebrating the holidays is non-existent.
Works for us and we don't conform to what advertisers try to shove down our throats.
Bah Humbug!


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Nov 23 12 9:21 PM

You know me and holidays don't mix.  The old man and I stopped buying shit for each other when the kid was little.  When the kid hit about 13, 14 years old, I'd take him out shopping and he'd get what he wanted.  When he was old enough to drive, gave him the cash, go get what you want.  Haven't bought a tree or wrapped a present in about 8 or 9 years, don't decorate.  We'll have turkey for Thanksgiving, ham (or maybe now Standing Rib Roast), for Christmas, but we just don't care.  We used to get my in-laws a gift certificate for a restaurant, but now that they're gone...never exchanged with any of his family, too many people, who the hell can afford it.  Everybody does their own thing for their kids/grandkids. We don't 'do' religion, so that aspect of celebrating the holidays is non-existent.Works for us and we don't conform to what advertisers try to shove down our throats.Bah Humbug![image]

-tam

Bah Humbug is right!!!
AMEN, tam!!!!!

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