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Chapter # 3:
Kate does soooo much for humanity and the world!
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To the untrained eye, Kate Gosselin looks like the soccer mom version of Wonderwoman, with her organization skills and organic cooking etc.
But to the trained eye the story is 100 % different.
Kate is a NARCISSIST.
Watch the show and she will have you believe that she does EVERYTHING. With all the sighs and overemotive exhaustion she portrays on camera.
Dont you get it, she mops that floor 3 times a day on her hands and knees and dusts the house to perfection and cares sooo much about
them she INSISTS on Organics! Shes sooo overworked and tired!!!!!!
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Kates fans will have you think that Kate is a saint and Jon NEEDS degrading, and she only does it cause shes SOOOO tired and overworked!
Let me remind you that Kate WANTED to be a Mom to Multiples all her life...Shes a Nurse, she knew what she was getting into...
Lets clue you in on what Kate doesnt do...
Pay a mortgage, do laundry,  watch her kids, pay for trips, pay for clothes or furniture, pay for groceries or Juice...
The house was paid for by Discovery Channel! Jon makes less then 50K a year and the new house was $350,000.00..
She has FREE Laundry service that gets picked up at the house and delivered all nice and folded and fresh.
Free Nanny service, plus 3-4 friends that come and watch or take the kids all the time. Aunt Jodi takes them EVERY FRIDAY
so they can have a date night.
Discovery channel pays for all the trips.
Giant supermarket gives them free food.
There is now PRODUCT PLACEMENT in the show, so IKEA, Juicy Juice and GAP Kids have given them all free stuff so their products and brand names get shown on the show...
So what does Kate do?
SURFACE WORK! In a Narcissists life EVERYTHING is all about APPEARANCES!
She makes sure the house is spotless, she takes them for Dental and Hair appointments, makes sure their clothes match and they look cute.
All that is to make OUTSIDERS think shes a wonderful mother.
Cooking all organic from scratch is to make herself a martyr later on, "I did all this stuff for you! I cooked all your food organics and slaved over a stove all day and you do this for me?"...
When does she ever do the real MOTHERING?
Kate NEVER plays with her children. Shes too BUSY with the surface work to teach them anything or play with them.
She puts them in the garage or basement and goes inside.
How about doing the normal thing and ordering a pizza and leaving the floor alone one day and going out in the garage to play with them?
This is where a trained eye can spot the sickness...
Narcissistic mothers immediately LABEL their kids and the kids will always be ONLY that label in the Nmoms mind.
Hannah and Cara are moms helpers whereas Mady is ONLY the Whiner...
But she will never stop to find out WHY Mady is whining (cause Kate ignores her, all she wants is some love) she is just a whiner to Kate and always will be...
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Because her abusiveness is part of a lifelong campaign of control and because she is careful to rationalize her abuse, it is extremely difficult to explain to other people what is so bad about her. She’s also careful about when and how she engages in her abuses. She’s very secretive, a characteristic of almost all abusers (“Don’t wash our dirty laundry in public!”) and will punish you for telling anyone else what she’s done. The times and locations of her worst abuses are carefully chosen so that no one who might intervene will hear or see her bad behavior, and she will seem like a completely different person in public. She’ll slam you to other people, but will always embed her devaluing nuggets of snide gossip in protestations of concern, love and understanding (“I feel so sorry for poor Cynthia. She always seems to have such a hard time, but I just don’t know what I can do for her!”) As a consequence the children of narcissists universally report that no one believes them (“I have to tell you that she always talks about YOU in the most caring way!). Unfortunately therapists, given the deniable actions of the narcissist and eager to defend a fellow parent, will often jump to the narcissist’s defense as well, reinforcing your sense of isolation and helplessness (“I’m sure she didn’t mean it like that!”)
(Source: http://www.geocities.com/zpg1957/narcissists )
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Mady and Cara are twins, they should be treated fairly. Instead Kate is making them frienemies on purpose by creating division by treating them differently and labeling them...
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3. She favoritizes. Narcissistic mothers commonly choose one (sometimes more) child to be the golden child and one (sometimes more) to be the scapegoat. The narcissist identifies with the golden child and provides privileges to him or her as long as the golden child does just as she wants. The golden child has to be cared for assiduously by everyone in the family. The scapegoat has no needs and instead gets to do the caring. The golden child can do nothing wrong. The scapegoat is always at fault. This creates divisions between the children, one of whom has a large investment in the mother being wise and wonderful, and the other(s) who hate her. That division will be fostered by the narcissist with lies and with blatantly unfair and favoritizing behavior. The golden child will defend the mother and indirectly perpetuate the abuse by finding reasons to blame the scapegoat for the mother’s actions. The golden child may also directly take on the narcissistic mother’s tasks by physically abusing the scapegoat so the narcissistic mother doesn’t have to do that herself.
( http://www.geocities.com/zpg1957/narcissists )
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When Kate took the pictures of the girls near their poop it was for later use.
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2. She violates your boundaries. You feel like an extension of her. Your property is given away without your consent, sometimes in front of you. Your food is eaten off your plate or given to others off your plate. Your property may be repossessed and no reason given other than that it was never yours. Your time is committed without consulting you, and opinions purported to be yours are expressed for you. (She LOVES going to the fair! He would never want anything like that. She wouldn’t like kumquats.) You are discussed in your presence as though you are not there. She keeps tabs on your bodily functions and humiliates you by divulging the information she gleans, especially when it can be used to demonstrate her devotion and highlight her martyrdom to your needs (“Mike had that problem with frequent urination too, only his was much worse. I was so worried about him!”) You have never known what it is like to have privacy in the bathroom or in your bedroom, and she goes through your things regularly. She asks nosy questions, snoops into your email/letters/diary/conversations. She will want to dig into your feelings, particularly painful ones and is always looking for negative information on you which can be used against you. She does things against your expressed wishes frequently. All of this is done without seeming embarrassment or thought.
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder Symptoms
    * grandiosity / exaggeration
    * fantastic thinking / romantic
    * believes they are special / unique
    * requires admiration
    * entitled / demanding
    * exploitive / manipulative
    * lacks empathy
    * envious / jealous
    * arrogant / haughty
Kate is the above and MORE
The kids fullfill Kates never ending need for Narcissistic Supply.
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The Narcissistic parent regards his or her child as a multi-faceted source of Narcissistic supply. The child is considered and treated as an extension of the Narcissist's personality. It is through the child that the Narcissist seeks to settle "open accounts" with the world. The child is supposed to materialize the unfulfilled Narcissistic dreams and fantasies of the Narcissistic parent. This "Life by Proxy" can develop in two possible ways: the Narcissist can either merge with his child or be ambivalent towards him. The ambivalence is the result of a conflict between the attainment of Narcissistic goals and pathological (destructive) envy.
( http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_narcissist_be_a_good_parent )
Several times during the show I saw her do things where she only thought of herself. Two examples:
1) Took the kids to go furniture shopping and while she was there, her son Collin who had been constipated for a week was crying from discomfort and she did nothing. A normal mom would have left and taken him home and shopped later. Not Kate. She didnt care. She made Jon take him to the van and dig his poop out of his butt, a normal mom wouldnt have wanted that told on the tv show to prevent embarassment later.
2) Gave all the TUPS Ice Cream at Disney World and then snatched it from them and made them cry, saying she didnt want them to get sticky and ruin their clothes! Who cares about their clothes, you made them cry.
Lets talk about Jon...
The fact is, is that Kate is rude AND abusive to Jon ON camera, during NON stressful situations when they are just sitting there talking to the producer.
She is MEAN to him when he is goodnaturedly JOKING with her ( “You are not my Daddy” “Your name is Jon!”) She has a sick NEED to put him in his place!
One night I witnessed her SLAP him and treat him like a 5 yr old!
I could UNDERSTAND if she did it once in awhile DURING a stressful situation, but she does it all the time and the most telling thing of all is that you never hear, IM SORRY!
And thats the thing...
Kate is never satisfied, nor does she ever seem sorry for her beliefs or actions.
Because its all about Kate...
Its the Kate show!
And she will damage those kids in the end.
preesi@comcast.net



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Oh I see- so you have 6 3 year olds and 2 7 year olds in your house.... get over it- if you don't like them don't watch them- that's why there's about 1000 stations on now!

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Episode 5 is posted. I get a lot of my traffic from this entry, by the way!

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Yes - Kate is a total narcissist - and evil. I think she's already damaged Mady for real.

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I think yo have serious issues i'm a parent of one and i still argue with my husband in public when we are tired and exhausted and you get little sleep because you are up all night with a child that is sick or just wants to play are you even a parent! And if you are how can you be so critical of someone else.I also have PCOS and I'm not fat hairy it is a genetic tract handed down by usually your father side! I had great difficulty having my son! Dont open your mouth unless you have been through anything like that! It is horrible to think you can not have one of your own! The narcissist here is you get life and a job because obviously you have too much time on your hand!
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Anonymous -I couldn't agree more. I have never seen anyone take so much time to analyze someone from a TV program and have such bitterness towards them. Do I like Kate? Not a lot from what I've seen - I used to and first saw the show, ironically, when I was in the hospital after delivering twins. I can not imagine having 6 more, never mind at the same time and I was impressed by her, but the more I've seen the show, the more she bugged me. So you know what I did? I quit watching. Try it...and maybe take up yoga Preesi. You need an outlet.

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I strongly agree with Preesi's observations. Kate is by far a narcissist in every sense of the word. Seriously, people only watch this show to see what she will bitch and whine about. It's like a train wreck, you just have to watch. The kids aren't even cute so that's not the reason people are watching. Kate's behavior is just so over the top and that's really the only entertainment value of this show.
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Here's an interesting item: Did you know that Jon and Kate are managed by Media Motion International in Los Angeles? They are talent management agents for numerous people and help them secure the best possible financial compensation for their shows. They assist their clients to create a "brand" to ensure ongoing lucrative shows. Talk about pimping out your children!!!!! Go to their website at http://mediamotionintl.com and you will find Jon and Kate featured in the "Our Clients" section. This is sick!!!!!!!!!!
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Yep, knew about that.
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I think you are CRAZY! Turn the tv off and leave them alone!
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OK... your other two posts were believable, assuming you have information that was factual and it was all based on. I am a 'fan' of the show but willing to believe that things are not all as they seem. I know some of them are true BUT reading this one its like you aren't even talking about the same show I watch.. she plays with the kids, she listens to the whines just choses to ignore when its not important (as a parent of 3 and one a child with a whining habit I know a little extra love doesn't stop it.. I WISH!) I assume she does have some help with laundry but I can't keep up with my family of 5 so thats fine but she has someone who comes in and helps with ironing/folding and she's been very open about that on the show... many fmailies that are much smaller have cleaning people... I have someone who comes in for 2 hours/week myself and I am not rich by far...just busy, she does feed Organic food alot of the time but not always, they eat hotdogs, go out to eat occasionally, eat non-organic snacks (Monkey Munch), she admits she has obsessive behaviors, she doesn't have favourites, etc etc etc. I just think you went 'off base' with this post. As I said, I was listenening to your first two 'chapters' now I wonder if you were interpretting other facts the way you did here and maybe those two are as off base as well. I am a parent of 3 kids and often feel overwhelmed and KNOW I'm not perfect and would be horrified if a camera was watching my daily routine even if it was just one day. She has 8... ummm... I'd be far worsae at this than her and if I had show you'd be blogging about me. I just CAN'T judge her on all these things.

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Judging from some of the things you wrote you sound like a bitter sibling....eg)reading your diary, letters etc...
And from what I have seen I would hardly call Kate Gosselin "abusive", If you are confused on the definition of abuse, try looking that up instead of Narcissism. Or you can volunteeryour time at a local organization which cares for abused children.
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you're so right. i'd rather see those kids in poverty ridden situation, you know welfare, food stamps, single mother the whole deal..instead of spending hours of your time complaining about someone (you don't even know) online, get a hobby or maybe take in some foster children and show them 'what real parenting is all about'
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Wow. So you actually dedicate that much time to picking apart and diagnosing a family you don't know or have any personal interest in?

I wonder what disorder a clinical psychologist would diagnose for you?

Loser.
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You are crazy as the day is long to spend this much time ripping apart a person on TV. You are the type of person that scares me. I hope that that Kate has some decent security for herself and the kids because you are looney.
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I find Kate's behavior disturbing. If Jon were to hit and slap her like she does to him, TLC would put a stop to it. I guess it's okay if a female hits a male. Face it, TLC is making money off them and they could care less about the fact that she is promoting violence. She is teaching her children that it's acceptable to hit another person, but she calls it play. I would imagine every one of those children will end up in therapy or on drugs. That show is a train wreck.

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It seems like a lot of the posters here are suffering from denial.  It doesn't take a genious to see that this is a disfunctional family train wreck with Kate as the engineer.  Say what you want about there being worse abuse in the world, it still doesn't excuse Kate's abuse of her husband and fakey treatment of ther kids.  And, you all really should check out narcissism.  There is no cure and even though she did not ask for this personality disorder, defending her will not help her children.
I know that Jon is quite young (32 in April).  Perhaps there is still time for him and as long as he is allowed a relationship with his children why shouldn't he have a chance with someone who will love and respect him?


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